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Gather Specimens

Serie: Shards of Alara (ALA)

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Global Moderator NederMagic Rules Advisor Xander (1) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
15-12-2013 20:22:00

Show and Tell heeft geen targets, dus je kiest pas tijdens het resolven.

Je kunt dus wel reageren met Gather Specimens op het casten van Show and Tell, maar dan heeft je tegenstander Gather Specimens dus al gezien voordat hij de keuze maakt.

15-12-2013 18:50:00

Kun je deze nog casten nadat je oppo een creature via Show and Tell wilt binnensneaken om deze creature middels Gather Specimens over te nemen?
Of ben je te laat als de targets gekozen zijn oftwel wanneer Show and Tell resolved?

Global Moderator NederMagic Rules Advisor Xander (1) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
15-10-2013 13:49:00

1) Geen van beide? (De lvl 2 judge zat wel het dichtstbij.) Zie de rulings:

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If two or more players have each cast Gather Specimens during the same turn and a creature would enter the battlefield, the creature's would-be controller (the controller of the creature spell, for example) chooses one of the applicable Gather Specimens to apply. Then the new would-be controller of the creature repeats this process among the remaining Gather Specimens, and so on, until there are no more possible Gather Specimens effects to apply.

The above procedure means that if two opposing players have each cast Gather Specimens during the same turn and a creature would enter the battlefield under the control of one of them, it really will enter the battlefield under that player's control. (The creature would enter the battlefield under player A's control, so player B's Gather Specimens affects it. Now that creature would enter the battlefield under player B's control, so player A's Gather Specimens affects it. Each replacement effect has now been used, so the creature will enter the battlefield under player A's control.)
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Dat de Gather Specimens kopie als eerste resolvet (antwoord van de lvl 1 judge) is niet relevant, want het enige dat Gather Specimens doet, is een replacement effect de lucht in schieten. Pas als die replacement effects toegepast worden, gebeuren de echt spannende dingen.
De lvl 2 judge heeft het wel bij het rechte eind als hij zegt dat het replacement effects zijn, maar hij ziet daarbij over het hoofd dat de Gather Specimens van verschillende controllers zijn en aangezien Gather Specimens zegt "under an opponent's control", kunnen ze in singleplayer nooit beide van toepassing zijn als er 1 beest de battlefield binnenkomt.


2) Zie de ruling:

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The Gather Specimens replacement effect is applied before any other replacement effects that would also modify how the creature enters the battlefield. These are usually worded "as [this creature] enters the battlefield" or "[this creature] enters the battlefield with." For example, if your Gather Specimens has resolved, then the following things are true:
-- If a creature with devour would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose and sacrifice your creatures as it enters the battlefield under your control.
-- If Voice of All would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose a color as it enters the battlefield under your control.
-- If Clone would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose which creature it copies as it enters the battlefield under your control.
-- If a Wizard would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control and that player controls Sage of Fables, the Wizard will not enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it as it enters the battlefield under your control.
-- If a Wizard would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control and you control Sage of Fables, the Wizard will enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it as it enters the battlefield under your control.
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Vergelijkbaar met Sage of Fables worden het geen Essence of the Wilds omdat jij ze niet controlt.

15-10-2013 13:38:00

Twee vragen over deze kaart:

1: Mijn tegenstander gooit een creature op tafel, ik speel deze kaart en mijn opponent kopieert hem met Reiterate. In mijn speelgroep zitten twee judges, een lvl 1 en een lvl 2, de lvl 1 zei dat het gekopieerde effect eerder afging, vervolgens de mijne en ik het creature dus kreeg. De lvl 2 judge zei dat het om een replacementeffect ging waardoor de controller van het creature kon kiezen wie hem kreeg, wat we uiteindelijk hebben gedaan. Ik heb verder niet om uitleg gevraagd maar eigenlijk snap ik het gewoon niet? Iemand?

2: Ik heb een Essence of the Wild op tafel en poep een paar tokens uit, waarop mijn tegenstander reageert met deze kaart (ik had hem mijn deck geleend we spelen dit ding niet allemaal), krijgt hij normale tokens of 6/6 essence of the wild kopieën? Ik denk persoonlijk 1/1 creatures aangezien de ze battlefield niet eens enteren aan mijn kant en de Essence dus niks te vertellen heeft, maar ik ben toch bezig nu

Brech (79) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
15-7-2012 22:33:00

Is leuk met Twilight’s Call al kost je dat wel veel mana

3-3-2012 15:24:00

Leuk met Staying Power

Steely (5) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
8-2-2012 18:18:00

jammer dat het geen enchantment is xD

Global Moderator NederMagic Rules Advisor Xander (1) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
22-4-2011 18:17:00

@Steve: Dat was toen wel mijn eerste ingeving ja.

Ik denk eerlijk gezegd dat jullie zijn zin alsnog fout geïnterpreteerd hebben. Ik denk dat hij daadwerkelijk bedoelde dat hij de Gather Specimens kan counteren met die kaart, hoewel dit niet mogelijk is gezien je dan simpelweg 2 extra tokens weg geeft.

6-4-2011 11:33:00

Ach, hij komt uit Limburg, kan er niets aan doen

*duikt weg achter een muurtje*

6-4-2011 11:27:00

Nedermagic, waar je Magic leert spelen en Nederlands leert schrijven.

6-4-2011 11:26:00

Dat lijkt me een betere zin ja.

6-4-2011 11:24:00

"Deze kan een Master’s Call 'counteren'".

Global Moderator NederMagic Rules Advisor Xander (1) Offline Profiel Stuur persoonlijk bericht
6-4-2011 11:21:00

Zou je dat kunnen toelichten? Want ik zie het niet.

6-4-2011 11:11:00

Deze is wel te 'counteren' met een Master’s Call.

Oracle

Instant 

If a creature would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control this turn, it enters the battlefield under your control instead.

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Legal in: Vintage, Legacy, Modern, Commander

Officiele rulings

10/1/2008
Gather Specimens isn’t targeted. It affects creatures that would enter the battlefield under any opponent’s control.

10/1/2008
Gather Specimens affects both token creatures and nontoken creatures. It affects creatures that would enter the battlefield by any means. This includes, of course, creature spells that resolve. It also includes creatures put onto the battlefield as a result of a resolving spell (such as Call of the Herd or Zombify), resolving ability (such as Verdant Force’s ability or Doomed Necromancer’s ability), cost (such as Varchild’s War-Riders’s cumulative upkeep cost), replacement effect (such as the one created by Words of Wilding), or any other means.

10/1/2008
If a creature spell controlled by an opponent would resolve, it resolves, but the creature enters the battlefield under your control instead of the opponent’s control. Choices made when casting that spell (such as whether it was kicked or the value of X in the spell’s cost) are remembered. Any “enters the battlefield” triggered abilities will trigger after the creature is on the battlefield under your control.

10/1/2008
The Gather Specimens replacement effect is applied before any other replacement effects that would also modify how the creature enters the battlefield. These are usually worded “as [this creature] enters the battlefield” or “[this creature] enters the battlefield with.” For example, if your Gather Specimens has resolved, then the following things are true: -- If a creature with devour would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose and sacrifice your creatures as it enters the battlefield under your control. -- If Voice of All would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose a color as it enters the battlefield under your control. -- If Clone would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control, you choose which creature it copies as it enters the battlefield under your control. -- If a Wizard would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control and that player controls Sage of Fables, the Wizard will not enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it as it enters the battlefield under your control. -- If a Wizard would enter the battlefield under an opponent's control and you control Sage of Fables, the Wizard will enter the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it as it enters the battlefield under your control.

10/1/2008
Gather Specimens won’t retroactively change the control of creatures that have already enter the battlefield that turn.

10/1/2008
Some effects that put creatures onto the battlefield continue to affect those creatures later on. Although Gather Specimens changes whose control the creature enters the battlefield under, the rest of the effect works as normal. For example, if your opponent activates a creature card’s unearth ability and you cast Gather Specimens, that creature enters the battlefield under your control, but the rest of the unearth ability is unchanged. The creature has haste. It’s exiled at the beginning of the end step. If it would leave the battlefield, it’s exiled instead of being put anywhere else.

10/1/2008
If the effect that puts a creature onto the battlefield also creates a delayed triggered ability, Gather Specimens doesn’t change who controls that ability. In the unearth example above, your opponent controls the ability that exiles the creature at the beginning of the end step. On the other hand, if the effect that puts a creature onto the battlefield grants a triggered ability to the creature (with “gains” or “has”), the player who controls the creature at the time the ability triggers will be the player who controls that ability. For example, if your opponent casts Makeshift Mannequin and you cast Gather Specimens in response, the creature will return to the battlefield under your control with a mannequin counter and it will have the ability “When this creature becomes the target of a spell or ability, sacrifice it.” If the ability triggers, you’ll control it, so you’ll have to sacrifice the creature.

10/1/2008
If two or more players have each cast Gather Specimens during the same turn and a creature would enter the battlefield, the creature’s would-be controller (the controller of the creature spell, for example) chooses one of the applicable Gather Specimens to apply. Then the new would-be controller of the creature repeats this process among the remaining Gather Specimens, and so on, until there are no more possible Gather Specimens effects to apply.

10/1/2008
The above procedure means that if two opposing players have each cast Gather Specimens during the same turn and a creature would enter the battlefield under the control of one of them, it really will enter the battlefield under that player’s control. (The creature would enter the battlefield under player A’s control, so player B’s Gather Specimens affects it. Now that creature would enter the battlefield under player B’s control, so player A’s Gather Specimens affects it. Each replacement effect has now been used, so the creature will enter the battlefield under player A’s control.)

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